Are excess heat and isotope changes in e-cat LENR reactor real? – Part 2
In part 2, I will look deeper into the issue of the isotope changes in nickel and lithium, reaction kinetics and the implications of the Lugano report for Industrial Heats´ patent situation.
Isotopic changes in nickel and lithium
Apart from the excess heat, the most remarkable claim is the finding of isotope changes in nickel and lithium.
Samples from the fuel and ash were analysed by state of the art analytical methods such as ICP-MS, ICP-AES, SEM/EDS and TOF-SIMS. The methods are explained in Appendix 1.
The fuel contained three different types of particles. Based on the analytical methods applied (SEM/EDS, pages 43-44), the particles are characterised as
- a first particle is mainly Ni, but it contains also C,O, and Al
- a second particle contains mainly Al and O, with traces of Ni, C and Cl
- a third particle contains Fe and O, with traces of Cr, Mn, Si and Cr
The fuel was found to be basically Ni, in natural isotope abundance (for which partly incorrect numbers are given in the report), and some other particles which contain substantial amounts of iron oxide and aluminium oxide. The contents of Li and H in the particles cannot be detected by this method. They are probably included in the second particle, and the oxygen could be (partly) due to improper handling of LiAlH4 (see part 1).
In the fuel, according to ICP-MS / ICP-AES analysis, the total Ni content was found 55%, Al content was found 4.4% and Lithium was found 1.1%.
The ash, extracted from the reactor after the test was finished, has two different types of particles, characterised as
- a first particle is mainly Ni, but it contains low trace amounts of O, C, Si and Al
- a second particle contains C,O and Si
Remarkably, the total non-Ni content of the ash was found only ~ 4%! So, the ash was found to be basically pure nickel, but in a much higher concentration than the fuel – the total Ni content of the ash was found ~ 96 % – and Fe completely disappeared, along with some other elements.
In the Ni particle of the ash the authors found what would be a scientific sensation: A remarkable isotopic change from Ni-58 (67% found in the fuel; 68% is the natural abundance, reduced to 0.8% in the ash) to Ni-62 (98.7% found in the ash; 3.6% is the natural abundance).
Also, Li-7 (91.4% found in the fuel; 92.5% is the natural abundance) shifted to Li-6 (92.1% found in the ash; 7.5% is the natural abundance).
A change of neutrons betweens elements, as it is indicated for Li and Ni, and transmutation of Fe and Al to other elements would be a nuclear reaction. Neither Cu, nor Zn could be detected, in contrast to earlier claims by Andrea Rossi. The data with respect to Li and Ni isotopic changes are shown in the following table.
The original theory of a Ni to Cu transmutation, basis of Rossi´s patent application, is not supported by the experimental data, as it was never supported by earlier results.
Today´s knowledge of nuclear physics cannot explain these results, and unfortunately a new theory was not offered by Rossi and the Italo-Swedish research association.
Ni-62 is a stable (non-radioactive) isotope of nickel. It is both naturally occurring and produced by fission. Ni-62 is the most stable Ni isotope, and it is the most tightly bound nuclide, with a binding energy of 8.7945 MeV per nucleon[2].
What happened to the disappeared elements?
Very interestingly, the analysis of the fuel revealed additional elements which disappeared in the ash: C, Ca, Cl, Fe, Mg and Mn. Especially the disappeared high Fe content is unbelievable. This observation strongly suggests that the samples were not representative. The disappeared elements could be due to non-uniform composition of the ash, but even then traces would probably still be detectable. Or there could be other explanations.
As mentioned in part 1, Rossi changed the reactor to alumina (Al2O3 ). But alumina has some further implications. Sintered alumina is porous and has a permeability to gases which many play a role at extreme conditions, such as in the case here with high pressures and high temperatures in the range of 1200-1400 °C. Oxygen diffusion[3], hydrogen permeability[4] and inclusion of elements such as Ti in the defect structure of the Al2O3 corundum structure[5] are known properties.
Hydrogen may stay in the reactor by forming a nickel hydride faster than diffusing out. This may be a reason why a hydride was applied as a source of hydrogen, as suggested in the Lugano report, rather than hydrogen gas.
The porosity of alumina may explain the partial disappearance of some elements. But it cannot explain the complete disappearance of all the other elements.
So, are we supposed to believe that all the other elements of entirely different chemical and physical properties- C, O, Cl, Mg, Mn, Fe – would have converted to Ni-62, the nucleus with the highest binding energy, without any detectable radiation? This is totally unrealistic and absurd. Other cases of reported transmutation typically describe a mixture of newly formed elements but not a uniform conversion to only specific isotope of one element. It sounds like the alchemists are back. Too bad that Rossi could not make something more useful such as gold.
Of course, there is another explanation which seems to have a higher probability: Samples of fuel and ash came from different sources. Either the ash is not the real ash, or the fuel sample wasn´t the fuel that was used in the experiment. But that would mean the samples had been manipulated.
Handling of the samples
The ash sample contained 98.7% pure Ni-62, similar to commercially available material. Both Ni-62 and Li-6 can be procured from specialist chemical suppliers.
Critics have raised their concern that the sample could have been manipulated. On page 7 the report clarifies that the Andrea Rossi, a controversial character and inventor of the e-cat device, actively participated in the experiments:
“Rossi intervened to switch off the dummy, and in the following subsequent operations on the E-Cat: charge insertion, reactor startup, reactor shutdown and powder charge extraction.”
It is a mystery why the examiners compromised the integrity of their research by allowing the inventor to intervene in the experiment. On this basis the Lugano report can hardly be considered as „third party independent“. Critics believe that Rossi´s magic hands are vital for the success of the experiment and he could have switched samples or salted the ash of the reaction. It could be also conceivable that the analysed fuel was not the same material as the fuel that was put in the reactor.
In this context it is important who attended the procedure of handling samples. Rossi was involved and as it seems, and only one of the scientists. On page 7 the report says
”the powder …..had been….weighed (about 1 g) and then transferred to a test tube so that Bianchini could perform radioactivity measurements on it,……..lastly the contents of the test tube were poured inside the reactor, in the presence of a member of the experimental team”.
If phrased correctly, this sounds as if only one of the scientists attended and witnessed the important step of introducing the fuel into the reactor.
Does this means that all the other scientists did not attend and cannot witness how the fuel was introduced before the reaction started? It does not say who was the “member of the experimental team”. But it would be interesting to know who is the only witness.
On the same page it is stated “all phases of the test were monitored directly by the collaboration”. In this case, “the collaboration” would refer to one individual witness only. I would not be totally surprised if this particular individual was the same person who provided the equipment to measure energy input and output. This means that for a manipulation it would not require a grand conspiracy involving all the scientists.
I am stressing the point because Rossi manipulated samples before when providing ash samples to Prof. Kullander of Uppsala University for elemental analysis. Rossi admitted:
“AS THESE SCIENTISTS CORRECTLY SAY, I SUPPLIED THOSE SAMPLES, IN 2011 (TO PROF. SVEN KULLANDER), AND I GAVE A SAMPLE FROM WHICH THE COMPONENTS, THAT AT THOSE TIMES WERE NOT DISCLOSABLE, HAD BEEN EXTRACTED, BECAUSE NOT YET PATENTED. I CLEARLY WARNED PROF. KULLANDER OF THAT. SO WE ALL KNEW THAT TOSE ANALYSIS COULD NOT BE TAKEN AS COMPLETE, BUT JUST AS A FIRST APPROACH TO THE PROBLEM. THE COPPER FOUND WAS PROBABLY AN IMPURITY AND I MADE CLEAR THIS SUSPECT OF MINE . IN THAT CASE THE SAMPLE HAD NOT BEEN WITHDRAWN FROM A REACTOR BY A THIRD PARTY AND I HAVE NO DIFFICULTY TO SAY, AS I DID WHEN I DELIVERED IT, THAT I HAD TAKEN OFF FROM IT THE PARTS THAT I WANTED NOT TO DISCLOSE.”[6]
Kullander found nickel and copper in natural isotope ratios which contradicted the claims of nuclear reaction. Unfortunately, Sven Kullander deceased and cannot further comment on the issue.
Prof. Stephan Pomp of Uppsala university, a known critic of his alma mater peers from Uppsala university, and their favourable endorsement in previous papers, made the point „it is totally inexplicable to me, how the authors cannot see the most obvious and by far most likely conclusion of the fuel analysis; that they simply have been fooled.”[7]
More Issues related to isotopic changes
Provided that the isotope shifts would be real, there are many questions unanswered such as
- why did Ni-64, a stable isotope and a heaver isotope than Ni-62, disappear ? (from 1% to 0%)
- as intermediate stages, radioactive isotopes of Ni (and other elements) would have been expected. Why are no such elements found and why is no radiation measured?
- is Ni-62 really the end product of the process?
Finding almost pure Ni-62 at the end of the experiment has further implications.
Unexplained reaction kinetics
Providing that the sample of the ash would be representative, this would strongly suggest that Ni-62 is the product of the reaction, not the reagent. However, if Ni-62 would be the product of the reaction, and the conversion would be almost completed, then the question is, why does the reaction rate still accelerate, and not decline, as it would be expected towards the end when almost the entire fuel is consumed (see chart below: power production).
This is basic reaction kinetics. A reaction rate is proportional to the concentration of the rate determining reagent. With almost complete conversion, providing that Ni-62 is the end product, the concentration of whatever is rate determining must be very low. In other words, the fuel almost burned out, but the power production was still increasing. This is impossible, unless the sample was not representative (in this case the conversion could have been considerable lower than it appeared) and other particles (remaining fuel or intermediates) were unaccounted for. Or other reactions could be rate determining involving other reagents and products.
Possibly there could be other fusion reactions, involving hydrogen and helium, which is more difficult to detect and no attempts have been made to detect it. Hypothetically, these alternative reactions could run faster in presence of Ni62-hydride, and this could explain why the reaction rate did not decline. But unfortunately these elements were not analysed further in the Lugano e-cat report (why not?); only a general remark is given that no deuterium was found. The state of hydrogen in metal hydrides, for example, can be analysed by 1H-solid state NMR spectroscopy[8]. Helium would have escaped from the reactor, under the given circumstances.
Since the sample was very small (several mg of a total 1 g fuel charge), it is possible that the finding of the Ni is not representative for the whole fuel, and there may be other particles, still active fuel, with lower degree of Ni isotope conversion,. On the other hand, the report also states on page 29 that “the spent fuel was found inactive”, but it is not clear on what basis this judgment is founded, since the reaction was not continued subsequently.
On page 54 (fuel and ash was analysed by ICP-MS / ICP-AES) reveals not only the obvious difference in appearance of the ash, and it shows only one sample from the ash in the table.
Apart from the question what happened to the third sample which is mentioned but no data are shown, we must remember that the ash was not homogeneous. It is disappointing why the scientists did not examine further samples of the ash, to get a better view of the entire picture, considering the questions raised above, in the view of the extraordinary claims. But is seems, in this study, they got “only a few granules” to examine. It is inexplicable that the scientific team stopped at this point and would have accepted such constraints, and this weakens the scientific value of the whole report.
It is even more disappointing that more tests are not planned. Science is always about replication, if no repetition of experiments happen, no good science can ever be established.
Of course, sample manipulation could be an alternative explanation for the reaction kinetics, the disappeared elements and the isotopic shifts.
Why did the role of Ni-62 change?
It should not be forgotten that three years ago Mr. Rossi made totally contradicting statement regarding the role of Nickel-62. He wrote in his blog
„As I have explained many times, we use Ni enriched of 62 and 64 Ni, which are the sole to react, and 63 and 65 Cu are stable. Our process has been developed upon a theory that became stronger in time, based on the results of the thousands of our tests we made with our apparatuses. At this point we have a solid theory which is leading our R&D, making progress by the day. The problem is that the theory leads directly to the industrial confidential IP and since we have not a granted patent we deem opportune not to disclose the theory.”
But now there is no evidence for Cu is found in the ash. No evidence for enriched Ni-62 and Ni-64 in the fuel is found either.
„We enrich Ni 62 and 64 isotopes, but this is not an effect of the operation of the reactor.“
Mr Rossi seems to be surprised himself. He said in an interview[9]
“This report is no doubt very interesting and we are studying it because, as you probably know, there is a surprising result regarding the Nickel-62 in particular, and we are studying it because we are strongly directed, under a theoretical point of view, to understand these kinds of results that was unexpected.”
“As a matter of fact, the enrichment system is the process made by means of the ECat. Nevertheless the results from the test have gone well Beyond what we found before during our internal R&D. As I said, now we are studying how to reconcile……”
Absence of radiation
No radiation, neither alpha, beta nor gamma rays have been detected.
Levi et al. [1] ruled out a transmutation to copper which is the proposed process of Rossi´s patent. They wrote on page 29 “for example the reaction p + 58Ni -> 59Cu + g and 59Cu decaying back to 59Ni via ß+ emission releases 3.4 MeV. Even if that particular reaction is excluded, since no gammas are observed……………the absence of any nuclear radiation from the burning process is presently an open question, and has to be understood.”
Bound neutron tunnelling?
The scientists of the Lugano report [1] did not offer a theory to explain isotope changes and excess energy. But a physics student from Uppsala university, Carl-Oscar Gullström, proposed “bound neutron tunnelling” to explain how the e-cat works[10], a theory which was eagerly absorbed in e-cat related internet forums.
Prof. Pomp of Uppsala University commented“to claim that this explains the E-Cat is, hmmm, pretty far-fetched to use a slight understatement”.
Tunnelling is a well understood basic principle of quantum mechanics. The question is how large is the probability for tunnelling. Not going into the theoretical aspects and various mistakes of the paper, Gullstöm´s calculations obviously do not explain the claimed excess energy, they are orders of magnitude off. He wrote:
“this suggest that approx. 2 g nickel was burned during the test…..using the nickel weight abundance in the fuel gives an approx. amount of nickel of 100g. This means that 2% of the Ni in the fuel was burned.”
But the total fuel was only 1 g, according to the report.
The Lugano report does not support the e-cat patent
Some people may interpret the contradictory statements as intentional misdirection. But there are a few problems with this theory.
Ni-62 now “surprisingly” seems to shows up as the sole reaction product. However, Ni-62 is an essential reagent in claim 1 of the sole patent, and affects all patent claims. A reagent is not a product. This is a show stopper for the patent.
More specifically, Rossi changed in 2013 the claims of his European patent application[11], the only known patent family in the field by the inventor, which claims now (the US patent claims are different and more general) [12]
“….exothermal reaction of nickel and hydrogen,…..and that said nickel powder of a nickel isotope having a mass of 62”
This means the inventor assumed Ni-62 to be the reagent, not the product. If Ni-62 would be the product of the reaction, the European patent claims of the sole patent known would be useless.
But there are more serious problems with the patent, not even stressing the fact that the patent outlines a transmutation to copper without any evidence. The main issue is: The current models of the hotcat are operating clearly outside the claims of the patent, in several aspects:
1. The main claim of the particular patent assumes a metal (US) or copper (EP) tube as reactor which isn´t used anymore. The Lugano hotcat[1] is made of alumina (Al2O3), a ceramic material. Alumina ceramic is not a metal, and certainly not in any way related to copper.
David French, a retired patent attorney who frequently contributed to a cold fusion website, correctly commented on Rossi´s US patent examination[13] “these independent claims stipulate for the presence of a metal tube. In the absence of such a component, a competing construction would not infringe these claims. For example, if a ceramic tube were employed, it would not fall under the language of the claim”. This is the case in the Lugano-hotcat.
2. Temperature: at 1200-1400 °C a copper tube (mandatory reactor material in EP patent claim) would melt. The melting point of copper is 1085 °C which would per se limit the upper temperature level to this level. Besides, the preferred temperature range is given as 150-500 °C; the current hotcat device is far above this range.
3. No hydrogen gas is injected in the reactor tube as it is requested by the patent claims
4. Nanometric nickel is mandatory, too. The particle size of the fuel looks larger than 50 micrometers (Fig.1 on page 43 of [1]), though with some smaller substructures. “Nanometric” normally means a range of 1-100 nm; 100 nm are 0.1 micrometer.
All these points together, there is no doubt that the Lugano test is outside the scope of Rossi´s patent. So, if the thing is real, the developers would need urgently fresh patent applications with fundamentally reworked descriptions and claims.
In other words, the purpose of this testing was certainly not to defend the said patent, since the operating conditions were clearly outside the scope of it. This means the Lugano hotcat[1] will not provide any support for ongoing patent examinations, at least not for the sole patent what is known till date.
But according to Industrial Heat´s press announcement[13], more patents may be in the pipeline. They claimed „since acquiring Rossi’s technology, IH has engaged in a broad-based effort to protect it by preparing numerous patent applications related to the core technology as well as associated designs and uses.“
Of the “numerous patent applications “ not even one is known till date. Time will tell. It is strange enough that till date no further patents have been disclosed, after years of “improvements”, and 17 months after the publication of [2] – patent applications are laid open to the public 18 months after filing.
As pointed out, the Lugano test is not supporting Rossi´s patent. To achieve this, IH should have provided a device that is inside the claims of the patent, and operate it under conditions as specified in the patent. They clearly failed to do so.
On the contrary, things are now getting worse. All published papers, demonstrations, presentations and blog contributions, including own ones, set a prior art which is potentially critical for new patent applications. Rossi and Industrial Heat face patent risks which will make it more difficult to file new patents in the future.
Another issue of concern for IH should be that the involvement of Li-6 in alleged LENR processes is not new. It is prior art since 2011, linked with the patent disclosure of Rossi´s competitor Piantelli[14].
Summary
Overall, the Lugano report [1] is not convincing, and the circumstances remain suspicious.
1. The Lugano report contains various loopholes, technical weaknesses and lacks experimental details, which undermine the credibility of the whole report.
Even Michael McKubre, a long time LENR advocate makes this point “There is curious inattention to detail—surprising for a document as delayed, anticipated and important as this……… this report has problems at several levels that render direct interpretation difficult or impossible without further information and clarification. This is a shame and undoubtedly a source of great frustration …..”[25].
25 years after the Fleischmann and Pons announcement of a table top cold fusion, the established scientific community largely considers the field of LENR as pseudoscience. With the Lugano report this is not very likely to change.
2. No truly independent test was ever allowed. The fact that Rossi and his associates were always involved in all experiments, is highly suspicious.
Some may say the reason for being so secretive is intellectual property. But what I see is a patent application contradicting the experimental data, and no serious intention of the patent holder to establish the operability of the invention.
3. Rossi never allowed testing of the same device twice. The design of the device, obviously R&D prototypes, always changed. Replications of previous experiments were never intended. Why not test the device that is offered in the market since 2011, such as a module of the 1MW industrial e-cat?
4. No convincing theory is provided that would explain the experimental findings. It is unconceivable that regulators would give green light to a nuclear device which is not even understood.
It is disappointing that no further research is allowed by IH and Rossi. But science always includes replication, and without replication, no science can be established.
These things combined, one may ask what is the purpose of these papers [1,15] ? It´s not science, it doesn´t help the patent, so why are they doing this? To support sales and marketing activities? To attract more investor funds?
Prof. Pomp called his post [6] „The cat is dead“. BUT CATS HAVE NINE LIVES.
Appendix 1: Analytical methods
| Technology explained | Detection of hydrogen /deuterium | Detection of lithium | |
| ICP-MS | Inductively coupled plasma (ICP) mass spectrometry (MS) is an analytical technique used for elemental determinations.Light elements such as C,H,O,He cannot be detected by ICP-MS[16]. | No | Yes |
| ICP-AES | Inductively coupled plasma (ICP) atomic emission spectroscopy (AES) is an analytical technique used for the detection of trace metals in which the intensity of this emission is indicative of the concentration of the element within the sample.Light elements such as C,H,O,He cannot be detected by ICP[14] | No | Yes |
| SEM/EDS | scanning electron microscopy (SEM), energy dispersive x-ray spectroscopy (EDS) provides qualitative, or with adequate standards, quantitative analysis of elemental composition with a sampling depth of 1-2 microns.The detection of light elements such as C,H,O,He is difficult to obtain with standard energy-dispersive X-ray spectrometry (EDS) and usual proceedings for SEM | No | No |
| TOF-SIMS | Time-of-Flight Secondary Ion Mass Spectrometry provides is used to determine the elemental composition and molecular species on a surface of a particle. All the elements in the periodic table, including hydrogen, can be detected | Yes | Yes |
References and footnotes
[1] Levi, G. et al. Observation of abundant heat production from a reactor device and of isotopic changes in the fuel
[2] M. P. Fewell: The atomic nuclide with the highest mean binding energy, American Journal of Physics, (1995), DOI 10.1119/1.17828.
[3] Hine,N. et al. , Electronic Structure Discussion Group, 3.7.2009: Bulk Diffusion in Alumina: Solving the Corundum Conundrum
[4] Roberts,R. et al., : Hydrogen permeability of sintered aluminium oxide, Journal of the American Ceramic Society 62 , No. 9-10, 495
[5] Hine,N.D.M. et al: Point Defects and Diffusion in alpha-Al2O3, International conference on QMC (2009)
[6] Prof. Stephan Pomp´s blog: Mr Rossi, I admire you
[7] Prof. Stephan Pomp´s blog: The e-cat is dead
[8] Ell,J.M. Dissertation Universität Darmstadt (2007)
[9] Coldfusionnow.org: Andrea Rossi on 3rd-Party Report, Industrial Heat, & 1MW Plant — New Interview
[10] Gullström,C.O.: Low radiation fusion through bound neutron tunneling
[11] European patent EP08873805
[12] Claims of the European patent application EP08873805, currently under examination, revised in 2013::
1. A method for carrying out an exothermal reaction of nickel and hydrogen, characterized in-that said method comprises the steps of providing a copper tube, introducing into said copper tube a nanometric particle nickel powder and injecting into said copper tube a hydrogen gas having a temperature much greater than 150 °C and a pressure much greater than 2 bars, and that said nickel powder is a powder of a nickel isotope having a mass number of 62.
2. A method according to claim 1, characterized in-that said hydrogen temperature varies in the range of 150 to 500 °C
3. A method according to claim 1, characterized in-that said hydrogen is injected into said tube under a pulsating pressure.
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The US patent claims are
CLAIMS
1. A method for carrying out an isothermal reaction of nickel and hydrogen, characterized in -that said method comprises injecting hydrogen into a metal tube filled by a nickel powder, even of nanometric dimensions, or nickel granules or bars, in a high temperature and pressurized hydrogen gas saturated environment, thereby generating energy.
2. A method according to claim 1, characterized in that in said method catalyzer materials are used.
3. A method according to claim 1, characterized in that said high temperature is preferably from 150 to 5000C. 4. A method according to claim 1, characterized in that said hydrogen is injected into said nickel powder filled metal tube at a pressure preferably from 2 to 20 bars.
…….
[13] French,D.: Status Report – Rossi Pending US Patent Application
[14] Patent application US2014/0098917, claim 2, priority 26.4.2011
[15] Levi, G. et al: Indication of anomalous heat energy production in a reactor device containing hydrogen loaded nickel powder
[16] The ions formed by the ICP discharge are typically positive ions, M+ or M+², therefore, elements that prefer to form negative ions, such as Cl, I, F, etc., are very difficult to determine via ICP-MS
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Dr. Schumacher,
Have you taken a look a this patent?:
THERMAL-ENERGY PRODUCING SYSTEM AND METHOD
Patent to be issued to Etiam Oy. Inventor: Pekka Soininen
The invention proposes to produce thermal energy in a reaction chamber from “nanoscale particle accelerators” and a nano-powder catalyst material used for promoting the formation and storage of condensed Rydberg matter.
The particle accelerators are composed of a metal material (usually powdered Ni) capable of conducting electricity, absorbing hydrogen atoms in the interstitial spaces in the metal lattice forming a metal hydride, and a dielectric material (electric field creator usually in powdered form) capable of being polarized. The nanoparticles accelerators create, enhance and focus localized electric fields and thus accelerate hydrogen ions and electrons.
https://www.scribd.com/doc/244926252/THERMAL-ENERGY-PRODUCING-SYSTEM-AND-METHOD
yes, this is interesting. I just checked the status of the
Soininen patent.
Request for examination was filed on 29/8/2014. You can follow the status here: https://register.epo.org/application?number=EP12816683&tab=main
all documents are here: https://register.epo.org/application?number=EP12816683&lng=en&tab=doclist
Have a look at the international search report from Dec 2013, it shows which documents are seen as relevant state of the art.
After reading the Soininen patent what are your thoughts?
Rydberg matter is an interesting idea to explain fusion effects. It is worth studying this further. In the context check this: http://vixra.org/pdf/1401.0169v1.pdf
Soininen has (at least) provided examples, but the examples are vague. This is a problem with many LENR patents. In my experience of dealing 20 years with IP matters, patent examiners will not allow vague descriptions such as “it is possible”, “cannot exclude”, “contained possibly some He”, “possibly contained traces of”, “transmutation not yet clear” etc. Patent examiners will probably reject as insufficient disclosure. The inventors should have characterised the actual products, to substantiate the invention. Now it shows a theory what is thought that could happen, but no evidence that it really happens (e.g. example 7). If solid experimental evidence is presented it would make a big difference.That is lacking here.
So it is, and this is crux of the problem no one wants to reveal anything that might give their competition the advantage. The patent system is not suited for an emergent technology like LENR where the outcome has profound impacts the stakes couldn’t be higher. I think Rossi may be fooling with the products in order to not give his secrets away before he is ready as he is still trying to develop the technology into a commercially viable platform before his competition. Every move he has made makes sense in this context. If you have ever tried to bring a product to the market you know that it is not easy even for proven products. A technology like this has no chance to develop peacefully unless those involved are able to rise above the fray and promote the greater good. But if history is any indication … there will be blood and things will get nasty.
Basically there is always the problem not to disclose the core technology to competitors. Not only in LENR, always!
And there are certain ways to camouflage the core technology of an invention, if a patent is written in an intelligent way.
However, by providing vague information, or no examples (as Rossi) and no evidence for operability, you will never get a patent granted. Especially not for a technology as controversial as LENR.
basically there is always the problem not to disclose the core technology to competitors. Not only in LENR, always!
And there are certain ways to camouflage the core technology of an invention, if a patent is written in an intelligent way.
But surely, by providing vague information, or no examples (as Rossi) and no evidence for operability, you will never get a patent granted. Especially not for a technology as controversial as LENR.
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nice analysis of the questions…
from the literature it is probable that the hydrogen is the fuel, and that Nickel is collateral victim. some even says that Nickel is not transmuted to Ni62, but is just not victim of transmutations like others isotopes.
It is clear that Rossi exaggerate his knowledge on the reaction, and have moreover mislead people. Strangely this gives more credibility to the result… Stage magic follows the program, unlike science.
I even suspect that an LENR device stays inside the tube, as the heating cold. Before, Rossi talked of “the mouse” which excite the e-cat , with a low COP? but LENR…
people have noticed tha the apparent resistance (risky assumption because it is switched electronics with unknown details) seems to go down much.
I relay that to the works of Tripodi and Celani, showing some Type II superconduction in hydrides. no reason to be sure, just reason to consider it.
Misleading the public is quite common in innovative technologies, and people have to remind how Wright brothers behaved, how the Nobel on HTSC put the wrong formula to prevent abuse…
I am much more trusting wattmeter, IR cam, than Rossi, and even Darden.
Alain,
with all due respect the problems with your theory are
1. that the patent assumes Ni to be the reagent.
2. Misguiding would include the patent examiner. It is generally not a good idea to misguide the patent examiner. That´t would be like scoring an own goal. It safely kills all patent ambitions.
When filing a patent, you must know what you have. It is not wise to say “we don´t know”. The first thing to be examined is always the product composition in any reaction during R&D stage. This cannot come as a surprise, after years of a development process. If it ís not clear then better be silent and focus on R&D work.
Regarding your trust in wattmeters, on the electrical measurements, it would have been wise to involve an electrical engineer in the testing team, someboby without e-cat history.
I agree, the patent was written and processed in a very unprofessional way.
BTW, they have not abanonded the patent, renewal fee was paid just recently on 29.7.2014. see here: https://register.epo.org/application?number=EP08873805&lng=en&tab=event
What is suspicious and problematic is that there are no other patents laid open (yet?). Not even one. Normally, during development phase, new ideas come up and there is a continuous output of fresh IP. But not here. I mean we are talking about a development since 2008, not only since IH came in. If they have anything useful, it is getting late.
I also agree with David French and with the Piantelli conflict as I have already outlined in the article.
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Excess heat and isotope changes in e-cat LENR reactor Part2 http://t.co/KmOYvefzGF
@Dr. Schumacher:
Your summary is accurate. I would add that in the Lugano test as in the earlier test of the so-called hot cat, the experimenters had the opportunity to constrain input power and prevent trickery by placing their own extension cord and/or regulated power source between the mains and the device. Despite this suggestion being all over the internet, they failed to do it. They failed to protect the experiment against any subterfuge at the input.
Similarly, they did not use their so-called dummy run (a calibration run with an electrical heater) over the required range of temperatures. Thus, this run was useless. In fact, it failed to test the very range of the highest temperatures where the emissivity value assumed for the device was likely to be dramatically wrong. Furthermore, the reason given for not doing the test over the full temperature range makes no sense at all. They said Rossi told them that the heater wire could be damaged by high current. But wire is NOT damaged by current. It’s damaged by the associated high temperatures and in this case, the wire is present in the test chamber during the power run. So why is it not damaged then? Things that make no sense are areas where scams lurk.
The experimenters *again* failed to exercise caution against being fooled. It is highly probable that once more, they were deceived by Rossi.
I note that in earlier articles, you cited Krivit’s excellent work exposing Rossi’s criminal past. Rossi’s history of fraud and deliberate pollution of an entire countryside is well established (Petroldragon) and his denials on his web site, which enthusiasts are fond of quoting, do not negate the charges of which he was convicted and for which he was jailed by Italian courts. He is a convicted felon.
You may not know that Rossi also perpetrated a nasty scam on the US Department of Defense, CERL Division. He told them that he had a prototype highly efficient thermoelectric device which had been tested at the University of New Hampshire. Without fact checking, CERL started a project from which Rossi received more than $2 million of US tax payer money to make those devices. CERL also spent upwards of $5 million internally to make an elaborate survey of how to use Rossi’s devices as well as setting up a costly lab to test them.
Rossi delivered nothing but junk. None of the devices he gave CERL ever worked. The prototype was never seen by anyone and there are no reports from the University of New Hampshire. The whole thing was a scam. The garbage devices that Rossi delivered were traced by Gary Wright and found to be commercially available Peltier coolers, except that the particular ones Rossi gave CERL had been rejected as defective and sold by a San Diego company which purchased them from Russia! CERL initially released a damning 150 page report. Later, they were so embarrassed that they removed it from their web pages however good old Krivit retained a copy and you can find it on his site. In any case, it is a public document. The project was paid from taxes.
This is the sort of person Rossi is. Add to that the constant ridiculous claims and contradictions in the idiotic blog he pompously named “The Journal of Nuclear Physics” and the “PhD degree” that Rossi bought from Kensington (a diploma mill now disbanded) and you have the picture of a crook, and not a scientist. Rossi should not be trusted to take out the trash, much less make nuclear fusion reactors.
If you need additional information or references for my above statements, contact me at maryyugo [at symbol] yahoo [dot] com.
Keep up the objective view Dr. S. Do NOT trust Rossi any further than you can throw a building.
It’s worth pointing out that Ni62 is commercially available, in exactly the same purity as the sample taken from the E-Cat. It is entirely plausible that Rossi simply replaced the “fuel” with this product.
http://isoflex.com/nickel-ni
RT @ChrisWeb1: Are excess heat and isotope changes in e-cat LENR reactor real? Part 2 http://t.co/IgNeteMG5b
Nice work on the #ecat @ChrisWeb1 http://t.co/EJWc8vGpif and http://t.co/hufTjRCAAO
RT @StephanPomp: Nice work on the #ecat @ChrisWeb1 http://t.co/EJWc8vGpif and http://t.co/hufTjRCAAO
RT @StephanPomp: Nice work on the #ecat @ChrisWeb1 http://t.co/EJWc8vGpif and http://t.co/hufTjRCAAO
Nice work and perfect summary of what’s wrong with Rossi’s gadget and the Lugano test. Not that we should expect the e-cat fans to wake up from their dream, they won’t.
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Overall an excellent summary. One point that has escaped many people about the Li. The Li in the ash has disappeared, along with so many other elements!
From the ICP-AES results the fraction by weight was:
Li fuel 1.13%
Li ash 0.03%
30 times less Li in the ash than the fuel and with a total mass of only 0.6ug for the measured sample. Any issue of isotopic conversion is therefore trumped by the fact that the Li has vanished! Along with almost anything except the 99% pure Ni-62 that is so easily bought…
A careful analysis of the input power and current shows the strong likelihood of a X3 error, mediated by a misplaced current clamp probably the responsibility of Rossi, that explains the apparent high COP. (See my comment on Part 1). The testers have the data needed to confirm or deny this, so absence of further comment from them must be taken as confirmation (perhaps we will soon get some comment).
This test overall provides very strongly convincing evidence. But it points in a direction far different from what Rossi would like everyone to believe.
Once again, Rossi screwed the pooch. Apparently, he was rushed or his sleight of hand trickery may have been about to be discovered. He made an error — one of many. But he got caught. He simply salted too much Ni-62 into the so-called ash. So I guess one could say he made an ash of himself.
on the Li issue: very good point. On the other hand, If you look at the signal intensities of Li in ToF-SIMS (pages 46-52) in the ash compared with the fuel, ít does not look as getting depleted in any way. This does not fit together.
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Dear Mr. Schumacher,
I have a few comments to your article part 2 (ref. also my comments to part 1):
Thank you for a thorough and detailed analysis of the reported results.
My first comment here is that the reported isotopic changes goes far beyond all other similar reports within the LENR community. As an example we may refer to the many transmutation reports from Japan LENR researchers in Mitsubishi Heavy Industry and Toyota Central Research and Development Labs.
So is there another explanation except from trickery here?
Firstly it is unfortunate that they where not able to take more than a sample of 2,13 mg of the ash. This is only a 0,2 wt% sample of total ash. I therefore think this sample is not representative (as You also mention as a possibility).
The powder has been at a temperature between 1300 og 1500 degrees C for 32 days during the test, inside a sintered (and somewhat porous ?) Alumina cylinder. Surely one would expect some isotopic separation (and evaporation) to occur during this time, like
-Mg melts at 650 degC and boils at 1091 degC. Mg has probably evaporated and been absorbed by the Alumina substrate
-Ca melts at 842 degC and boils at 1484 degC. May therefore also over time disappeared into the Alumina substrate
-Same with Cl….
Even Rossi himself seemed surprised of the analysis.
Note also the statement in the report “The [ash] grains differ in element composition, and we would certainly have liked to analyze several more grains…..”
Similar the fuel sample was only 10 mg, or 1% of total fuel powder. Is it possible that also fuel sample is not representative? Ref statement in the report: “It should be stressed, that the quantities of most elements differ substantially depending on which granule is analyzed”
Further “Why did the role of Ni-62 change ?” and “No convincing theory is provided that would explain the experimental findings” and “Today´s knowledge of nuclear physics cannot explain these results, and unfortunately a new theory was not offered by Rossi and the Italo-Swedish research association.” :
Anyone that has followed the history of cold fusion since 1989, also know there has been (and still is) a large number of theories trying to explain LENR. Rossi and his colleagues have probably worked on their own theory, with or without success so far. I think there is still a road to cover to explain LENR, including E-cat. Since 1989 there has been a separate Paradigm in the scientific world that have observed and accepted the existence of LENR. The problem seems to be to find one theory that explains all observations. The Widom-Larsen theory may be one candidate….
And to repeat my comment from your PART 1 article: Note that the E-cat did not start from a theory. It started with professor Focardi, professor Piantelli and others experimenters findings of excess heat in Nickel/Hydrogen systems. If Rossi have something real, it’s because he has experimented and found an improved recipe, not because he is testing out a theory if his.
Anyhow: Shall we deny ourselves the dinner of new discoveries, because of lack of theory or experimental results not conforming to theory? Or to repeat what the Nobel Price winner (in physics) Julian Seymour Schwinger said of his attempt to publish papers on Cold fusion : “What I had not expected was the venomous criticism, the contempt, the enormous pressure to conform. Has the knowledge that physics is an experimental science been totally lost?”
With regards to your comment on handling of samples, I commented this on my comment to part 1. Bo Høistad believe they had adequately control to avoid trickery…
“No truly independent test was ever allowed”. It was Sven Kullander who offered to do a test. It’s understandable that IH had some involvement to protect their trade secrets.
“Rossi never allowed testing of the same device twice.” If the testers where themselves satisfied with previous tests, why would they want to do another test of the same device? I think it is understandable that they would rather test possibly improved versions of E-cat technology.
Your last two questions may be the most interesting ones
“….What is the purpose of these papers?…” and “….why are they doing this?
Obviously, if you do a test, you would want to report the findings afterwards. So rephrasing the first question we may ask “why did they do the test”?
Then we need to do a little investigation:
Who asked for the test? According to the “Acknowledgements” in the report “….it was late Sven Kullander, who initiated this independent test experiment.
So: Why did Sven Kullander want to do this test?
Perhaps just SCIENTIFIC CURIOSITY?
“Curiosity is a delicate little plant which, aside from stimulation, stands mainly in need of freedom” Albert Einstein 1949
Possibly because he considered Professor Focardi a friend, and trusted Focardi’s findings of excess heat in Nickel/hydrogens systems ? And I’m sure Focardi told Kullander how he and Rossi met (Ref. my comments to Part 1),so, May be his intuition told him to investigate further?
May be because Kullander loved a mystery?
“The most beautiful experience we can have is the mysterious. It is the fundamental emotion which stands at the cradle of true art and true science. – Albert Einstein 1931
Perhaps to obtain knew knowledge of nature?
May be because of “Pleasure to Finding things out”?
Perhaps he imagined Nature still have some surprises up her sleeves? Just As Professor Martin Fleischmann and Pons did, when they started their cold fusion journey back in 1983
“I’m enough of an artist to draw freely on my imagination. Imagination is more important than knowledge. Knowledge is limited; imagination encircles the world.” – Albert Einstein 1929
Below is a few actual thoughts from Sven Kullander on the E-cat story
Reported from John Olov Hampus Ersa Ericsson:
“We talked about cold fusion and his views on Andrea Rossi. He told me about his deep respect for Focardi and how collaboration with him really makes Rossi look good. Sven also said that the reason why only he in the academic field takes cold fusion seriously is because he will soon retire and are not afraid of ruining his carrier.”
“Kullander told further about their personal experiences of a large number of people at the University of Bologna has been more or less concerned about the ECAT, the most active of course Focardi and Levi. He feels these people knowledgeable and up to serious, from the president down. Kullander feel even Rossi as sincere and serious and a very knowledgeable and skilled engineer but somewhat discursive reasoning when entering the field of physics. He also talked about discussions he had with Levi for a large number of tests that are not described but conducted by Levi, who personally knows the ECAT works.”
“Then he talked about his own test, he said that it proved that heat was made but he couldn’t say how, and he dont believe it’s cold fusion because that impossible by today’s science. But it could only be explained by cold fusion happening. He was very confused…”
“He also said that Rossi is definitely not a fraud and that his friend professor Focardi and professor Levi is absolutely not frauds. They are his friends and he trust them.”